Your 401k Plan May Not Be Yours Much Longer

Posted by Charles M Cooper on Tuesday, October 28, 2008

“Why do you rob banks, Willy?” asked a reporter one day of bank robber Willy Sutton. The answer, to Willy, at least, was obvious:


“Cause that’s where the money is.”


Funny how naturally that line comes to mind when you think of the plans that House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller (D-CA); and Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA), Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee’s Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, have for your retirement savings plan and the plans you have set up for your employees.


Socializing 401k Plans: An Opportunity to Seize Control

It is remarkable that moments of crisis in America always seem to be invitations for power grabs as Americans, frightened by the current circumstances, hand over power and liberty to the government in return for promises of safety and security. Benjamin Franklin anticipated this when he wrote: "Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither." Our 401ks are suffering, yet another victim of the global recession set off by forcing the financial sector to follow political and social rather than fiscal necessities. That kind of social experimentation always leads to trouble, yet the same party that proudly brought on the housing crisis wants to take over your retirement plan!


“The savings rate isn’t going up for the investment of $80 billion,” Miller said. “We have to start to think about...whether or not we want to continue to invest that $80 billion for a policy that’s not generating what we now say it should.”


Miller has been thinking about it, and this is what he and his fellow democrats have come up with:

  • Eliminate the 401k tax breaks

  • Buy up 401ks at pre-crash values and pay a straight 3% interest on contributions

  • Make those contributions of 5% of net salary mandatory

  • Administer 401ks as part of the Social Security system

  • Pay-out 401k funds along with Social Security payments


In short, the plan is to take control of the most popular retirement tool in the nation, make it mandatory, determine how the money thus brought under government control should be invested and dole it out to retirees as the government sees fit.


These are the same folks who have been pilfering Social Security funds for decades, taking money for other needs and hoping that current workers paying into the fund will be able to keep it afloat. What makes you think that your retirement money would be safe? Social Security is yet another bubble and people have been predicting its demise for years. Perhaps this proposal, to socialize 401ks, is an effort to ease the pain of an impending Social Security meltdown, but I doubt it. Like all too many actions taken by the US Government of late, it is a chance to take control over more and more of the economy.


The Downside of Socializing 401ks

If they don't make it mandatory, that is, if they don't make this into another payroll deduction from the employee's check, then no one would do it. People would find other ways to squirrel away money for their golden years. The reason people make contributions to these plans is the fact that the employer matches their donation up to a certain point and that these plans offer tax incentives that make saving through these plans attractive. Get rid of these incentives and the only reason people will bother with 401ks any longer will be fact that they will become mandatory, an additional 5% tax on earnings over and above Social Security.


According to John Belluardo, president of Stewardship Financial Services Inc. in Tarrytown, New York. “A lot of people contribute to their 401(k)s because of the match of the employer. Higher-income employers provide matching funds to employee plans so that they can qualify for tax benefits for their own defined-contribution plans. If the tax deferral goes away, the employers have no reason to do the matches, which primarily help people in the lower income brackets.”


More to the point, it helps people in the lower income brackets save without relying on the government, which Christopher Van Slyke, a partner in Trovena, a La Jolla, California, advisory firm with $400 million under management, says is at the heart of the issue. “This is a battle between liberalism and conservatism,” he said. “People are afraid because their accounts are seeing some volatility, so Democrats will seize on the opportunity to attack a program where investors control their own destiny.”


The Bottom Line

To anyone with the least bit of investment savvy, the idea of making huge changes to a tried-and-true plan like the 401k because of the events of the last 90 days is ridiculous, so ridiculous that it cannot possibly be the reason. Still, the idea is on the table and if the Democrats take full control of Washington next year, then it is likely to become law and more trillions of dollars will come under direct government control.


They say that controlling the means of production is what makes a socialist state. If you control capital and can start and stop the flow of necessary funds, then you do control the means of production. The more sectors of the economy that come under government control, the closer we get, a sobering thought that makes one wonder: With Obama, Pelosi and Reid in charge, once the financial sector is under government control, what else we will have socialized?

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Charles M Cooper

Charles Cooper is the Web Editor for America’s Best Companies. He came to ABC with nearly twenty years of business and technology writing and editorial experience. In addition to ABC, Charles has been tapped to be a freelance business writer with the upcoming American edition of The China Daily, has served as a writer for HowStuffWorks.com and LovetoKnow.com and as senior editor for Gear Technology magazine. Contact Charles.

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 at 7:10 AM
Dan says:

Hopefully healthcare...

Thursday, October 30, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Ken Stewart says:

You have got to be kidding me... I suppose I shouldn't be surprised those in government think they know better than the experts... I often wonder just who they actually end up protecting.

Friday, October 31, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Joe Mama says:

Now where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, Tony from the movie 'The Professional' - "I should hold the money for you till you're older. Like a bank, you know, except it's better than a bank, 'cause banks always get knocked off. No one knocks off old Tony".

Thursday, November 06, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Nana says:

I will cash out before I allow those SOB's to try to dole out MY money.

Friday, November 07, 2008 at 11:25 AM
anonymous says:

It has begun. Southern California Edison Vice Presidents announced yesterday that Obama has started the process of socializing 401K.

Monday, November 10, 2008 at 2:01 PM
AR Holmes says:

This is a ridiculous notion! I alreaady resent paying SS taxes when there won't be any for me when I need it...and if there is, they will make me jump through hoops to get it like they do so many others right now. But I must ssay that I just don't think that the new administration is behind this. Politicians are deceitful and probably have been planning this all along. The new administration will take the blame. I don't agree that the money we worked so hard for should be distributed in this way. I do, however, agree with the socializing healthcare...to some degree...

Tuesday, November 11, 2008 at 1:32 AM
Lisa P says:

Barack Obama has been elected the 44th President of the United States of America. Congratulations to him, and good luck as well, because if he thought that the road to winning the Presidency was hard, wait until he gets into office. He has a laundry list of things that require his attention with the economy. The financial system has to be stabilized, but to his credit, he already has two excellent ideas, sure to win him some points. Some ideas for stimulus that he has are temporarily exempting seniors from having to withdraw from their IRA’s and 401(k) plans after age 70 ½, and temporarily exempting tax payments for those on unemployment benefits. The largest issues he has to keep track of are the bank bailout and credit repair that has begun under President Bush, stemming the tide of foreclosures and changing the outlook of oversight and regulation, to make it more “transparent.” Obama has his work cut out for him, and he will probably soon pine for the simple days of campaigning.

Thursday, November 13, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Casey Nolan says:

Sound idea considering 401K's are a joke. Just think all of those years saving for retirement and then all of a sudden in 2008 you have half of what you had a year ago.

There is a book written in the Rich Dad Poor Dad Series http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Rich-Dads-Prophecy/Robert-T-Kiyosaki/e/9781586214364. That I read a few years ago that actually predicted this crash we are in now. Before retirement was socialized and people could live off their Social Security Checks and Pensions from their companies. Then in the Government changed it from a direct benefit to a direct contribution system like 401K and IRA accounts. Which turned out to be a nightmare. Take a look at this book and you will be astonished of the accuracy of our current situation.

In my opion every American should have a subsidized retirement that will pay for his/her health care and living expenses. I believe fixing social security is an absolute must and should be put on every American's shoulders as a responsibilty. We'll probably have to double Social Security Tax to make up for the years of losses we just incurred.

Friday, November 14, 2008 at 3:34 PM
dan says:

I can't believe this? You actually think the Dems would take over 401k's? This was another Conservative scare tactic. Fellas, the election is over, we have a new president. FACE UP TO IT

Saturday, November 15, 2008 at 3:42 AM
yourdeadmeat69 says:

"Nationalizing" 401K's is a akin to Congress overruling 40 acres and a mule for each returning soldier from the Civil War.

Subsequently doing just that, ex soldiers burned down Washington DC. Congressmen ran to the Capital, as memory serves, and overruled, their withdrawal those benefits.

On the other hand, your little sentence, instantly revert accounts to pre deflation levels, would gift about 400K for every 600 remaining in older accounts, and that would occur just about the time $5 TRILLION hits inflationary streets. The current rate of payback on that kind of investment is 8%, it hit 13% under the worthless Carter years.

So whattya want? Go it alone on 600K and hope you're Warren Buffet, or let these jerks give you an IOU and pay you 8-13% on a million?

Me? I just sit here polishing my gun.

Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 12:30 PM
EdLaborDemocrats says:

The rumors that some in Congress, including Chairman George Miller, are planning to confiscate Americans’ 401(k)s are absolutely ridiculous. Fact checkers (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27487450) have called these claims by partisan hacks as “last-minute election fear mongering.”

We are not considering proposals to take away your 401(k), tax your 401(k) or force you into a government program. Plain and simple.

In fact, Chairman Miller is working to preserve and strengthen 401(k)s. He wants to ensure that 401(k)s adequately protect workers’ nest eggs by disclosing hidden fees that are eating into Americans’ retirement accounts. And, because older Americans stand to suffer the most from the economic downturn, Miller has called for the suspension of the unfair tax penalty for seniors who don’t take a minimum withdrawal from their depleted retirement accounts.

If you want to know more about what Chairman Miller is doing to make sure that American workers can enjoy a safe and secure retirement, go to our website: http://edlabor.house.gov/issues/strengthening401ks.shtml

Mike Kruger
House Education and Labor Committee

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 12:33 AM
PJ says:

mike kruger- dictators alway remove your freedoms in the name of "safety". Quite frankly, D.C. has not done anything good for anyone in a long time. Patriot act, Bailout, military commissions act, Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts, and oh yeah- 54 trillion dollar deficit. THANKS ALOT! I believe you! Please take more of my money! Hey, how did you vote for the bailout?

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mike kruger- dictators alway remove your freedoms in the name of "safety". Quite frankly, D.C. has not done anything good for anyone in a long time. Patriot act, Bailout, military commissions act, Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts, and oh yeah- 54 trillion dollar deficit. THANKS ALOT! I believe you! Please take more of my money! Hey, how did you vote for the bailout?

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Perhaps the most basic question that people want to know is how a 401k retirement plan works. The easiest way to describe these plans is to say they are a retirement plan that is sponsored by your employer.

Rose.

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Before retirement was socialized and people could live off their Social Security Checks and Pensions from their companies. Then in the Government changed it from a direct benefit to a direct contribution system like 401K and IRA accounts. Which turned out to be a nightmare. Take a look at this book and you will be astonished of the accuracy of our current situation.

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I alreaady resent paying SS taxes when there won't be any for me when I need it...and if there is, they will make me jump through hoops to get it like they do so many others right now. But I must ssay that I just don't think that the new administration is behind this. Politicians are deceitful and probably have been planning this all along. The new administration will take the blame.

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I would like the security of having a socialized 401k, but when it comes to choosing a battle I'll fight for healthcare first and foremost.

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I am a bit scared by what you have posted. I think many Americans depend on their 401k for retirement and what you are saying is that we might lose this safety net.

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Very smart answer gave Willy Sutton.
Interesting thing this 401k plan. I hope it will help to remedy businesses.
As for bottom line answer me anybody who knows where is it?

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401(k) retirement savings plan allows a worker to save for retirement and have the savings invested while deferring current income taxes on the saved money and earnings until withdrawal. The employee elects to have a portion of his or her wages paid directly, or "deferred," into his or her 401(k) account. A lot of people don't know much about investing for retirement, and the standard retirement savings/investment plan is the ubiquitous 401(k) plan. Part of a 401(k) plan is that withholdings are before taxes, whereas a Roth IRA is post-taxes, but the hitch is that that withdrawals are subject to taxes, whereas withdrawals from a Roth are not. (Some people are better off in a Roth IRA than other IRA plans.) Pension plans are increasingly rare, so investment in a 401(k) or other IRA is best done sooner rather than later, as one does not want to need payday loans in their golden years. There are also maximum contributions, and other things to consider as well.

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